Sausaltio is featured in the book, Rowable Classics, by Daryl J Strickler, They have a web site. Sausalito was designed by Greg Sabourin and Gordy Nash, and built by Mike Lawler from a jig constructed by Sabourin. Mike Lawler seems to be a restorer and collector and builder ( amongst other things) of lovely wooden boats. Thingy in the pic would eat guideboats for breakfast if the person rowing it was good enough. Beam at the sheer is a couple inches more than most guideboats to help with the oarlock spread. Of course if you think this is too bonkers and would be happy with a 10% reduction in resistance, then you could look at something that's half as bonkers as a 16 foot guideboat and half as bonkers as this one. Anyway, point is that this is what I was referring to when I said that if you want to beat guideboats you'll need something more extreme. I'm guessing Paul Neil is unusually fit, and has an unusually capable cardiac pump, and can usually maintain a higher stroke rate than his competitors (or than normal). Guideboats also have about the narrowest beam, and therefore shorter oars, but it took a while for me to see that a fit, fast rower, whose stroke rate is higher than a competitor's, isn't letting his boat slow down as much as his competitor's.
For the same expenditure of energy, and regardless of ergonomics, longer oars give greater efficiency at slow stroke rates, but that length is limited by faster stroke rates giving even greater efficiencies for competition.
Also on technique for one man boats; If the wavelength allows it, one must strive to take advantage of each wave's orbital velocity. I like the guideboats very much, but their design seems to reward sustained high effort in too competitive a manner for this slow boy.
What I've found is that if you have a very easily driven boat (ie: sorta guideboatish, not Whitehallish) then when you are just cruising around looking at the wildlife and trying to avoid running into rocks, the resistance is so low that it pretty much wouldn't matter if the oars were ten miles long. High gearing doesn't work so well when you try to sprint, because the resistance increases so rapidly at high speeds that the load on the handles get silly, and you'll go faster with an easier pull at a higher rate. Location: petaluma I previous to this response typed in 2 replies which got lost when I looked for a moment else where. Not the Simon Watts boat, which I lofted for Simon years ago, after taking the lines off my boat now hanging in Dempsey's.
I wonder if Mike Lawless still has the lofting details , or Patterns , or any written info he would care to share? Thing is that personally I like to have the oars for a fixed seat boat set up so that the handles just clear on the pull. To get this setup with reasonable gearing and oar length, you end up with the oarlocks spaced about four feet apart. Seems to me that the sensible option is to just make the boat a natural shape and use outriggers to get the oarlocks where you want them.
Best of all would be folding riggers, but all the ones I've seen fold up and over towards the centreline. Someone must have thought of this somewhere before, but I've never heard of anyone doing it. Here in Cape Town we have a local boat builder who builds a 5 m sliding seat boat with a very similar setup for his riggers. 50mm ally tubing come vertically up from the inner skin and is bent outwards, to hold the riggers at the correct distance, these arms are held in place with a simple pin, after rowing they are swung back again towards the center line .
One of our club members has one , keeps it in the club boats shed, and this system certainly helps with storage and with transport. Location: Alliston, Ontario, Canada Folding outriggers make a lot of sense. Location: middlebury, vt Several years back I made a combination outrigger stretcher out of rectangular aluminum tubing that would bolt and unbolt quickly to the gunwales of a 17' canoe I used for rowing. Regarding overlap, I realise that with a sliding seat you do need to overlap the handles to some extent. Fixed seat doesn't have that problem because the shorter looms mean that the handles don't move so far outboard for the same angle of sweep, so you can get away with not having them crossed at mid stroke. Originally Posted by dcnblues I like the guideboats very much, but their design seems to reward sustained high effort in too competitive a manner for this slow boy.
The only time I've ever tipped it was when taking a friend out, he decided to push off while leaning out as far as he could reach. When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals.


A gleaming wooden Adirondack guide boat, made from pine and cherry, and sporting original cane seats and graceful oars along with a history that dates to Theodore Roosevelt’s presidency, is again gliding through the waters of the Central Adirondacks where it was crafted at the turn of the 20th century. The boat, still bearing the original Beaver nameplate that marked it as part of the fleet at Arbutus Great Camp, is back at work at the Adirondack Interpretive Center poised to serve as the flagship of a small fleet of guide boats that will be used for educational purposes by the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry (ESF), which owns the interpretive center.
The Beaver was constructed in 1902 by Warren Cole, a highly regarded boat builder from nearby Long Lake.
Over the second half of the century, the guide boat went from a working craft to one prized by affluent great camp owners and seasonal visitors to the Adirondacks.
Hai didn’t know this boat existed until two years ago when he was contacted by a colleague at the Adirondack Museum in Blue Mountain Lake, who said a boat collector had the Beaver and was considering selling it.
The owner agreed to sell the boat to the college, in part, because he wanted the craft to be used for educational purposes. Before the boat was launched this summer, restoration work was done on it by Mason Smith of Long Lake, who called the craft a “treasure.” “I don’t think anything I’ve ever seen is better made than Beaver,” Smith said.
When he began working on the boat, Smith said, it was in good condition expect for the back third which appeared to have been less protected than the rest of rest of the craft during storage. In that sturdy state, the Beaver is now part of a weekly educational program called Guide Boat Fridays held at the Adirondack Interpretive Center through August.
On September 7, the Beaver will be part of the center’s second annual Guide Boat Day on Rich Lake. While people can see the boats in museums or on display in restaurants or stores, it’s rare for a non-owner to be able to take a ride in one. The Adirondack Almanack's contributors include veteran local writers, historians, naturalists, and outdoor enthusiasts from around the Adirondack region. General inquiries about the Adirondack Almanack should be directed to Almanack founder and editor John Warren. To advertise on the Adirondack Almanack, or to receive information on rates and design, please click here. At 5.5 knots (which would put the crest of the stern wave about a foot behind the sternpost on a 16 foot guideboat) the thingy in the pic should knock a bit over 20% off the total resistance (The Gospel According to Michlet).
This is carried far enough for'd that a for'd rowing station could be used to balance a passenger. Given that guideboats are fairly bonkers to start with, that still wouldn't be a boat for drunken elephants. For example if going upwind, one tries to put the oar in the trough of the waves since there the water is flowing upwind.
A higher stroke rate would be better for keeping the boat speed closer to the average, but you have to trade that off against the extra energy required to move your body and the oars backwards and forwards at the higher rate. The boat in the picture is a wherry design of mine, 22' X18" width waterline, basically similar to an aero, although with a straighter keel giving it more run closer to a 24. If you want them on the gunwales, and you want a fast boat, then the midship section gets quite ridiculous in shape because you have to flare the topsides around thirteen inches in about eight or nine inches of freeboard (assuming BWL is around 22", which is about right).
My old boat from years ago was set up like this (with fixed riggers) and I never found the outriggers were much of a problem, even when coming alongside.
Not only do you save a bit of weight, but you only have to lift one gunwale to around your waist to get the other one off the ground. To my mind this is a nuisance, because you have to get the oar out of the oarlock before folding the riggers, and if they have any width they'll drop on your legs and get all tangled up when you fold them. Build the riggers so they swing around a vertical axis located each side of the footrest (ie: footrest and riggers are built as a drop in unit).
If fixed outriggers are a problem when coming alongside, then a hull that goes from a narrow waterline beam to a much wider beam at the sheer, just to provide a convenient place for the oarlocks, is not going to be much better - it’s still a long way to jump from the centerline and the stability isn't there to allow you to step on the gunnel. Because it's normal to use around 36" inner looms with a sliding seat, if the handles don't overlap at mid stroke they end up way too far outboard at the beginning and end of the stroke (basic trig for you there). The program will give members of the public a rare opportunity to see, touch and ride in an authentic guide boat. The boat was purchased by Anna and Archer Huntington, who owned Arbutus Great Camp in Newcomb.
Hai’s associate at the museum saw the owner’s photos and knew the plates bearing the names Beaver and Arbutus 8 marked the boat as part of the Huntingtons’ original fleet. Smith spent the equivalent of about two months working on the boat, including replacing a couple pieces of rotted wood, stripping the boat and coating it with oil and marine varnish. Center staff members use the boat to take visitors on guided tours of Rich Lake to learn about the human and environmental history of the area.


Last year, some 40 people gathered at the center with their guide boats for a day of programming about the craft’s historic role in Adirondack history, and most importantly, a day of rowing on Rich Lake. Hai expects the Adirondack Interpretive Center’s fleet to grow with additional restorations and donations.
There's enough reserve bouynacy to make it good as a solo open boat in some fairly interesting conditions. If the gearing is too light, the crew will have to take more strokes to achieve the same amount of work, pushing the rating up which uses up energy. Likewise when going downwind, one aims to pull with the oar biting into the tops of the waves, which have water flowing downwind. I lofted the boat, lines taken from an old, nameless wherry, which was so hogged that I basically started over.
You can do course corrections easily without worrying about getting things crossed up, which is handy when looking around to pick waves and you need to haul the boat around a bit in a hurry.
Since they were quite a bit narrower than riggers for a sliding seat I could still reach past them quite easily and fend off if necessary. This is more convenient than trying to carry a wider boat by yourself, when you have to haul the gunwale up to your chest or sling it over your shoulder. They'll also get in the way if you want to move forwards or aft in the boat with the riggers retracted.
The fore and aft positioning can be made correct in both instances without having to do outrageous things with pivot placement and arm length. I got the spread of the locks, lock to stretcher, and butt placement for CG dialed in just right. Cole constructed the Beaver in accordance with a design that had evolved since the middle of the 19th century: a smooth-sided wooden boat, nimble and pointed at both ends, finely adapted for swiftly navigating the lakes and narrow, shallow streams of the Adirondacks.
Both are nonprofits supported by contributors, readers, and advertisers, and devoted to exploring, protecting, and unifying the Adirondack Park. If you really compare the lines of a guideboat to the boats they regularly beat it's dead basic, staring you in the face obvious why the guideboats are faster. This gives a much narrower waterline beam than the boats it is up against, and this gives a substantial reduction in wetted surface.
Up the stroke rate by ten percent and you have to apply ten percent more force just to move your torso and the oar handles, even before you start putting any load on the blades. It may not technically be the most efficient way to travel at that particular average speed, but you wont care because it's easy and it feels good. I built molds, planking and stem patterns and jigs, and built two of them, one a hard-decked model now rowed by a gentleman in Sausalito, the other, a fabric decked model (like many wooden shells) which was in Austin years ago.
When it comes time to retract the riggers you unpin them and simply pull forwards on the rigger, which makes it swing inside the boat but outside of the space you want for yourself. 24" inner on a 9 foot oar is over the top IMO, unless you are only ever going slowly in good conditions.
Guide boats were spacious enough to carry three people and a load of fresh game and sturdy enough to be left out in the weather.
When the Huntingtons donated their 15,000-acre property to ESF in the 1930s, the family’s fleet was transferred to their property in Connecticut. It would equate to roughly an extra half a knot on the top speed for the same amount of sweating and grunting. I'm not saying this to be rude, just pointing out that there's no need for anyone to be bamboozled by their speed. Since wetted surface is the majority of the total drag (somewhere around 70% at a rough guesstimate) this means the total drag of the guideboat is a lot lower. Both arms have exactly the same positioning and tension on them, so it feels balanced, etc etc. Anyone posting in this thread can understand it if they make the effort to do the comparison. IOW, I suspect a guideboat with its oarlocks on outriggers to give optimum spread would be faster.



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