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18.06.2014
I’ve had a bee in my bonnet about the use of "porta-potties" vs MSDs since we kicked it around in a recent thread (Stupid question, perhaps). Hello Eric, I would have to beleive that my port a potty would float of thrown over board, and hold its contents.
Sorry, I have to disagree I'm far from a lawyer, but to me it's simple.The Canadian Shipping Act does not have a definition of a toilet(at least I didn't see it).
Bottom line is tha many people carry "uninstalled" porta potties in their boats, as installing them is not always practical.In my opinion it would be highly unlikely that anyone (ie the "boat police") would bother you about it. By the process of ELIMINATION, I've found that the "VISA" portable head seems well-suited for CRAMPED or FLUSH mounted installations in the BOWELS of small boats. Hate to be a party POOPER, but I have to bring up this subject, after it looks as though it has FLUSHED through the board. The fitted plywood V panel is a two piece assembly that when taken apart fits under a cockpit seat (quarter berth). In the true style of Shortwave where things are "elegant in their simplicity", the two panels are cut perpendicular and span across the opening with no hinges required.My young neices & nephews also love the v-berth. Does anyone know someone in this position that we could go to for an answer?The Coast Guard & the Canadian equivalent would seem the best authority to consult. The PortaPottie may be used in a small boat and carried off to dump it's contents down a toilet. It should be emptied at a pump-out station or proper disposal site.  Port-a-potties are not allowed in Ontario. For a few extra bucks in hose and fittings, I shall install a head on a boat as is required by Canadian law. Being a new Piper owner, who has a blue bucket with some type of drain at the bottom, I am also in search of a better way to deal with all this CRAP!


The confusing term here is "installed." In ShortWave the Thetford MSD 735 was screwed to the boat.
If I go out for a night or two, and haul the boat out of a marina or ramp with no facilities, I'm pumping at home Even still, if there are facilities at the marina, I'm too cheap to pay Once I upgrade, I'm not sure how easy it'll be to remove the tank to dump in the land based toilet.I was reading the link from Pathfinder.
Equipment designed for the storage of human excrement is provided with a deck fitting and such connecting piping as is necessary for the removal of toilet waste by shore-based pumping equipment. I didn't notice any definition for toilet, so I'll assume the worst Section 6 states: 6. The impeller is just like you would find in an outboard motor pump.This pony pump is well constructed and is self priming. If you are pumping the head, make sure the toilet paper is disolved good or the impeller will plug ! All parts of the system for removal of toilet waste are congruent with one another and the boat." To me, this is pretty clear. Bowl contents drain by gravity into a removable tank which is carried off the boat and dumped, although some larger models can be fitted for pumpout. It is my further understanding, that the US, or possibly, certain states, in fact have less stringent regulations. Further, the link that Ken supplied for the Thetford, states the same conclusion in their write up. It is quite a small piece of gear, and is SOOOO close to fitting in the "blue bucket hole" How hard is it to take the bucket out?
An upgraded version is the SeaLand "Marine Traveler," which is a toilet bowl atop its own 9-gallon tank which is fitted for pumpout, and uses pressurized water from the onboard system, but very little of it. I would think that a manufacturer would be certain of it's quotations with regards to regulations corncerning their products.Not trying to flame you Kevin , but from what I read in the CSA, and learned from other sources, it looks clear to me that pleasure boats in Canadian waters are required to follow the pump out piping rule.Since the Sandpiper is trailerable, doesn't mean we have to find and use a marina's pump out facility either!


I haven't read or heard where it is against any regulation to pump out at a "home facility". Maybe a bit pricey at first, but it'll last for years and eventually pay for itself, depending on use of the head. I've seen some pump out prices of $20!!!The chemical that is recommended for marine heads, liquifies the waste. It would be a little yuckie pumping into a 5gal bucket, but doing so, gives one the freedom of disposing of waste at home. This is one of those technicalities.I can share with you, that the Trailer Sailor Association, which has members on both sides of the border, reminds it's American members of these little differences when coming to Canada.
They are very clear to their members about Canadian laws, so that everyone will have an enjoyable holiday.
However, the Clean Water Act requires that if a toilet is installed, it must be equipped with an operable Marine Sanitation Device (MSD) that is certified by the Coast Guard.
Installed toilets that are not equipped with an MSD, and that discharge raw sewage directly over the side, are illegal.Portable toilets or "porta-potties" are not considered installed toilets and are not subject to the MSD regulations. But they are subject to disposal regulations which prohibit the disposal of raw sewage within territorial waters (3 mile limit), the Great Lakes, or navigable rivers.



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