2. a foray into other dietary regimens, such as paleo, low-carb, cooked vegan, macrobiotic, or ayurvedic. Contrary to what the testimonial section in books and websites may indicate, raw doesn’t always end with Happily Ever After. I would skip school a lot, because just the thought of getting out of bed made me anxious some days. I also adjusted my diet to add more cooked foods to see if that would change the way I felt as well. What it always came back to, even when faced with all these considerations, was that I wasn’t feeling great and my blood tests reflected it. The results explained perfectly why I had been feeling weak and exhausted for more than 6 months. One morning over breakfast, Holly Paige looked at her daughter and realised things weren’t right. What are the most commonly reported symptoms from long-term vegans and raw foodists who have been forced to add some animal fat and protein back into their diets to regain or maintain superior health, energy, and well-being? Mr Norris writes about his own experience on a raw vegan diet that led him to write an article dispelling the myths of the dangers of cooked vegan foods. The experience turned me to science, relying more on published scientific research and much less on popular theories and anecdotal reports. Before I look at typical nutrient deficiencies, I’m curious as to why at first many people feel so great initially on a raw vegan diet?
Another reason for some short term improvements could be the switch from a high protein to a low protein diet which starts a process called autophagy. As an aside for those paleo folks who constantly eat a high protein diet: cycling protein and having protein fasts to induce autophagy may well be beneficial.
There are a number of nutrient deficiencies and imbalances in raw vegan and vegan diets, that eventually cause a number of health problems, which may not appear until months or occasionally years on the diet.
Chris Masterjohn has written an excellent article on this subject, which draws from numerous clinical studies.Vegetarianism and nutrient deficiencies This article discusses the nutrients that are deficient, their functions and their sources.
A thorough outline of vegan diet nutrient deficiencies comes from vegan Registered Dietitian Jack Norris, President of Vegan Outreach who maintains an informative website Vegan Health.
As the consumption of raw foods gains popularity, some potentially unsafe foods have reentered the diets of humans. Beyond Vegetarianism, Site by Tom Billings (long time friend of Jack Norris) contains reports from veterans of vegetarian and raw-food diets, veganism, fruitarianism, and instinctive eating, plus new science from paleolithic diet research and clinical nutrition. On why we could never have been raw vegan eaters from Don Matesz The truth about raw vegan diets, A Primal perspective, More Raw truth about raw vegan diets. That is true, we handle the fructose in fruits much better because of the nutrients and fibre. ATHLETE BIO: Harley Johnstone spent his first 24 years battling up-and-down energy levels and a host of maladies including chronic fatigue, asthma, Crohn's disease, hypoglycemia, mild arthritis, sleep disorders, depression, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, anorexia, acne, and more. Harley also spends time in Thailand training in Muay Thai and doing damage to local supplies of mango, banana, durian, chempedak, passionfruit, mangosteen, etc. When I attended Sports Camp [Health & Fitness Week] in 2006, I learned how important it is to know how to fuel yourself properly and what that looks like in terms of volume and calories. I was vegetarian for one week, then learned about the dairy industry and how unhealthy dairy is, and I went vegan overnight. Freelee (my partner) eats the same lately, as she has upped her weights and cycling program.
I used to crave cooked foods and gourmet high-fat raw foods when I first started, simply because I was undereating fruit and still eating salt. Of course, I'm human, and cooked foods do start to look inviting if I've been training hard and undereating fruits.
Besides diet, food, and nutrition, what other lifestyle factors do you find most important in supporting you in following 811rv? Do you ever wonder whether you're getting enough (protein, calories, micronutrients of your choosing)? Yeah, I used to wonder, but then I remember how crappy I used to feel on those protein-rich foods and how my body has to fight to thrive in spite of them.
What are some of the personal benefits (excluding athletic performance) you've experienced since transitioning to an 811rv diet? Increased spirituality, VO2 max, agility, power, endurance, life commitment, passion, life purpose, and clarity of purpose.
Compare for us your experiences eating a low-fat raw diet versus the popular high-fat version? Some don't want to train with me, because they feel guilty at the cafe when I'm eating organic fruit and they're ordering a quad latte and three chocolate donuts. Can you tell us about some difficult realities of eating an 811rv diet in a world of SAD eaters?
When I stay with people who say, "Oh, we can cater for you, no problem - we eat heaps of fruit too!" THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I EAT! When training through periods of maximum exertion, what do you eat, and how much per day, typically?
Well, my biggest days are 24-hour mountain bike races, and I eat around 7,000 calories during those races.
Can you tell us about any overall athletic performance improvements you've noticed since adopting 811rv?
I've objectively increased my VO2 max [maximum oxygen uptake measure of cardiorespiratory endurance] to 78. What are some of your most notable recent athletic achievements while maintaining a strict 811rv diet?
I would have learned about calories sooner, instead of saying, "calorie counting is for Jenny Craig clients!" I train with Tour de France cyclists, and EVERY ONE I've asked knows how many calories they need and how much they burn in training. Do you plan to change anything or do anything differently with your 811rv regimen, going forward? I plan to keep eating my meals early before bedtime and to keep eating a hearty breakfast (fruit, of course). What advice would you give a newbie to 811, or someone who is looking to refine their program? Also, I would like to add that on this 811 path people tend to have super energy like they have never experienced before.
A beautiful 30"x20" poster illustrating over 125 vegan food items as an alternative to the traditional food pyramid. Then I decided to go vegan for animal rights reasons and I wondered if I would lose any weight. I could definitely say that eating fruits and vegetables is the only way I have ever discovered to lose any weight longterm.
But now I realize that a lot of people who have accepted their body size after having failed at hundreds of diets as most have, have never tried eating a high carb low fat lifestyle, because it is very counterintuitive and seems crazy when you first hear about it.
On the other hand, fruitarianism allows you to never restrict your calories, yet still lose weight.
You keep the fat in your diet really low…because fruits and vegetables have very little fat in them.
What I have realized is the amount of fat you need to eat to lose weight is so small that people would cry when they heard it. I tried to lose weight my whole life before finding fruitarianism, and it sounded insane to me too when I started. But many people are not very open minded and don’t like to give things a shot before dismissing them completely. I agree that keeping your calories from fat at under 10% of your total calories will make you lose weight. Or you can do something like Raw till 4, and for dinner have something very low in fat like potatoes or rice with a fat free sauce.
Some people would rather die than eat this way probably, but there are a lot of benefits that make it worth it. For example, when I drink a fruit smoothie in the morning, I literally feel like sliding into a split as I drink it. But when I eat something high in fat, like hummus which has oil in it usually, I feel like sliding into a chair and relaxing. I also feel like I am eating real food and feel really glad that I have gotten away from all the marketing of processed foods. To be honest, I hate telling people about ways they can lose weight because I hate the idea of implying that people should try to be thin when I know that people are beautiful at every size, but I also feel like if someone does want to lose weight anyway, and is open to making a huge but healthful lifestyle change, then I owe it to them to tell them about what worked for me. And 1 disclaimer: remember to brush your teeth very well twice a day when starting a fruitarian diet, because all the sugar in fruit can cause cavities but not if you brush your teeth thoroughly. I would not feel comfortable removing that last line, as I know I’m not the only person who has experienced tooth problems as a result of dramatically increasing the fruit in their diet. I’ve heard many say following food combining rules makes all the difference in the world. So to sum up, maybe try not eating so many calories, but only till satisfied, eating more whole fruit instead of smoothies, trying fully raw, experimenting with a starch based mcdougall lifestyle, or sticking it out for the long haul. I am 2.5 months into RT4, was happy with my weight when I started, and have now put on 12 lbs! However, I am seriously questioning whether I should change things up a little given my current little project.
Right now I am eating bananas, dates, romaine lettuce, potatoes, rice and pasta with salsa and an occasional avocado — pretty standard Freelee guidelines.
I really believe in the science and I have stuck with it and finally I have released the last 15 lbs so 40 in total over 4 years. I think there can be a huge amount of metabolism repair to be done depending on the person.
Over the four years I lost from low cal then put back on 20 when I went to normal calories. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, as last night was a particularly hard one for me, lying in bed, feeling my skin expand under my chin, thighs, calves, belly, backs of my arms and back. I am a Certified Zone Instructor, and have worked teaching Zone diet principles to hundreds of clients over the last 10 years.
As I wrote in the analysis, because one person is able to do this – it does not make it a diet that I would recommend. I see no evidence that making a permanent switch from an omnivorous to a vegan diet would improve the health of any client. Intermittent fatigue, dental woes, hair loss, concentration problems, and some not-so-happy blood test results forced me to rethink the dietary regimen I was so tightly clutching. What worked in the beginning may not work forever, and sometimes you need to tweak things to regain a sense of vitality and health. Speaking of the bed, I also had some difficulty sleeping once in a while around my second year of LFRV.
My teeth started getting incredibly sensitive, and there were clear signs of heavy acid erosion. I actually asked her to show me the blood test results because I thought there had to be some sort of mistake. Whereas I had previously lived for working out and even an hour on the elliptical wasn’t enough for me, lately doing more than 20 minutes at a leisurely pace caused me to yearn to spend the rest of the day in bed recuperating.
I had low body fat to begin with, and on the raw foods diet my weight dropped from 138 to 128 lbs.
With respect to gluten alone 30% of the population has a gene that makes them sensitive to it and just cutting this one food item could account for many of the health improvements.
A committed vegan, he dispels myths surrounding vegan diets, and provides practical information on deficiencies and supplements required to remain healthy on a vegan diet. However, the following list includes many foods which are rarely promoted by the educated proponents of raw foodism, especially beans or legumes.
The chemical component fagopyrin is known to cause severe photosensitivity and other dermatological complaints.
Other parasites and viruses may also be present, such as Toxoplasma, Trichinella, or rotavirus, which may cause serious foodborne illnesses. It is a diet that has multiple nutrient deficiencies, that can only be sorted out with supplements. Let them eat meat – but farm it properly, The ethical case against eating animal produce once seemed clear. I remember a flatmate (room-mate) years ago did a fast for 40 days – just vegetable broths, fresh juices and psyllium hulls (crazy gal) and she was simply buzzing from that high. But we like to think we positively change the houses of other people we stay with sometimes. For me that generally means about ten bananas before 9 am, another 20 bananas at noon, and two large heads of lettuce plus two kilos of tomatoes & cucumber before sundown. I never try to turn my banana into a pizza, and I have no need for the emotion-numbing, taste-bud-exciting substances so common in the raw food movement. Conviction to save the planet and make my life count for something more than a pretty face and a nice DVD collection. I've done my homework now: I've listened to over a thousand hours (literally) of Dr Graham's recordings, so I've been brainwashed enough! Well, being a voice for the voiceless has given me such life purpose that I find it a little challenging to decide where I want to focus my energy. I find the maximum number of calories I can absorb, while still riding well is around 300 per hour. This means eating high-calorie fruits that travel well and can be eaten quickly and easily, like bananas (2 to 4 per hour), dates (3 to 6 per hour), sultanas or raisins (100 grams per hour), or figs (about 4 to 6 per hour). The 11,000-calorie deficit is consumed in reserve body fat, which I eventually replenish over the following days.
I've cycled across Australia, and most importantly, I enjoy movement a lot more, because I see it as a celebration of health, rather than something I "have" to do. More and more sports stars are learning about the lifestyle and its health benefits and karma, etc. Water hurts to drink, I'm peeing rusty nails, and clearly performance and attitude are out the door. I thought I was eating very healthfully, and I enjoyed great health through all of my teen years and early twenties, almost never becoming sick.
The media is constantly harassing you to lose weight and yet giving you advice that will never allow you to lose weight longterm and maybe even cause you to gain weight instead. If you restrict your calories to try to lose weight, your body will panic and you will get verrrrrrry hungry. I don’t have a way of testing this, but things that used to be hard in my dance class are a lot easier for me now.
My hope is to make this magazine like a co-op…bringing vegans together to create a monthly piece of work targeted toward vegan women or women thinking about going vegan.
I have been transitioning into a vegan lifestyle and mostly raw at that and had been gaining weight.
I have heard that vaguely about acidic fruits, but never stated so clearly…i will do that. I am by no means a health guru but you always hear too much fruit is bad because sugar is sugar. Certain foods digest at different speeds than other foods, so when they meet in the stomach they can cause unpleasant reactions. On the other hand, if you eat too little calories especially in the beginning you will have cravings and not be able to stick to eating only healthy foods. Have read soooo many things about not having enough fat causing thinning and dullness in hair. I have been hearing that some people who gain on raw till 4 have had weight loss success switching to a starch based mcdougall lifestyle (like jojo, check out her youtube channel fantastic idea lets do it).
I remember swayze from fit on raw (her youtube channel) saying as soon as she started adding salads into her daily meals and more vegetables in addition to fruits she lost weight.
My original goal was to detox from nuts & cacao, in order to cleanse my body and hopefully get pregnant. I don’t want to restrict at this time, but I am concerned to be carrying this much extra wt so early in the game.
I think as I worked out to improve my metabolism and ate raw til 4 my body found the balance. More recently after finding that eating Paleo food choices was the "icing on the cake" health wise, I have become a Paleo enthusiast and teacher.
I believe only the extremely high calorie intake has allowed him to get adequate nutrients, added to this some genetic luck. During this time, I started scouting out the counsel and wisdom of other disgruntled rawbies. Anything would get to me, and I had to learn about self-mastery and breathing techniques and all that shit. Not only was my sleep too light, I also had difficulty falling asleep, since I had to shift my legs all the time. I thought the tips of my teeth were always this transparent and that the darkened spots near my gum line were just stains from all the colorful food I was eating. But there was no mistake, it was right there in black and white; deficiencies and abnormalities across the board.
When I could I slept till noon, I felt lightheaded when I stood up, I couldn’t remember simple words or the names of my friends, and I was freezing cold even in the midst of a sweltering Saudi summer. Instead, her cheeks were pinched, she was small for her age, and although she had skinny arms and legs, her belly was big and swollen. They contained story after story of people curing their heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and other diseases through raw foods.
These health improvements are also similar to those that people rave about when they switch to a conventional paleo diet, that also removes grains, legumes, dairy, processed foods, and high omega 6 vegetable oils and sugar. As a 100% raw vegan, Harley has won 24-hour solo mountain bike races, completed many marathons and half marathons, cycled all over the globe, and raced bicycles in Europe.
Never having held a driver's license, Harley fancies himself an automobile-free raw vegan organic athlete, racing to save the planet. So the attraction was instant and lasting, because we have such high standards about how we live. We exercise only on the days we want to eat and try and do exercises that have meaning, such as cycle commuting or carrying heavy boxes of fruit. During days when I exercise heavily, I eat about twice that much, usually by doubling or tripling my banana consumption.
Maybe it was a coincidence, but when I learned how to eat enough calories from fruit to meet my needs, I stopped trying to make raw versions of my favorite cooked foods. We still notice that durians in that amount don't allow the body the same vigor as a meal of mangos or bananas or oranges. If mainstream people aren't FREAKING out about your lifestyle, then you're probably working in a job you hate, to buy food and junk you don't need. Fruit is nearly impossible to overeat, because it doesn't stimulate the taste buds like cooked foods do. Get so good that you can walk into a grocery and tell people how many calories they are eating! I've seen so many people be overwhelmed by this phenomenon and reach for numbing foods that block this energy. Only an 811er knows the feeling when we decide that numbing our emotions is no longer an option, we will be rewarded for our conviction with contentment. Thousands of thriving raw examples are out there, if you just open your eyes and tune into an attitude of gratitude. Sure, we don't need as much as cooked food eaters or salt eaters, but we still need enough! Thinking we can get all our water from juicy fruits and coconuts is the biggest mistake I see people making.
I was vegan for about 6 months, before I decided to start eating more fruits and vegetables when I started learning about fruitarianism, a form of raw veganism. Sometimes I look in the mirror in the morning and am like wow, I did not look like this before. I am almost positive eating a lot of dates when I first started eating raw and not brushing properly caused tooth problems for me, which luckily healed on their own over time and I didn’t need any fillings, even though the dentist told me I was making a huge mistake (luckily i got a second opinion). I started Raw till 4 two weeks ago and have already put on a considerable amount of pounds. Like Freelee and Durianrider recommend unlimited carbs and would say you are eating the perfect amount and eventually long term you will lose it all plus more and look like freelee. I was a little disheartened by all the hype on commentary on-line but then I found your post and feel like I’m not losing my mind. I was eating more veggies and I am eating rice an potatoes, no oil except for a treat…but I am still feeling concern about eating 20 dates and 4 bannanas for breakfast then more bannanas and apples for lunch…? I try never to worry about high cals either, because I’ve found over time I lost weight and never once restricted my cals.
It is amazing that when she had been fully raw for 2 years (as I saw in a video she posted recently) she was still chubby and people used to say she was too fat to be a fruitarian…I believe her that it really has taken all of 5-7 years for her to lean out the way she has. A loose observation is that all those who are able to stay on this type of diet do a large amount of endurance exercise.
It’s funny, because I was saying I was eating a raw vegan diet because it was “natural”, but here I was depending upon all these “unnatural” techniques. I would later learn that this is a medical condition called Restless Legs Syndrome, a neurological problem. My gums started to recede, I broke a molar by biting a tiny piece of a hazelnut shell by mistake, and a few months later my dentist would find six cavities in my raw vegan mouth. Of the myriad symptoms I’ve listed here and the ones I will not be describing publicly, the absolute worst of all was my depression. Having raced and trained with Olympic gold medalists, Tour of Italy riders, and Tour de France winners including Lance Armstrong and Oscar Pereiro, Harley continues to compete at the national level in Australian road and ultra-endurance races. Says Harley, "If I can transform from a chronic-fatigue Nintendo zombie to an ultra-endurance mountain bike race winner, totally free of drugs and stimulants, just by learning about my body's daily needs and how to meet them, imagine what others can achieve!Tell us about yourself: your age, where you live, your job, your family, and the like.
After a meal of fruit I'm good, and then cooked food starts to look like the stodge it really is! High fat is nature's slow-down plan: slow you down and fatten you up, so you can survive a possible famine. I like to appear in the newspaper and on television, because I find that it helps people to swallow the message more easily, when they read it in print or see you on a TV show.
I used to miss meals, but that just affected my training recovery and made me look like a weirdo who didn't eat. Anything more than that starts to affect my riding performance, as does anything less than that.
I hope my example will lead to more athletes knowing that they can compete powered by fruit and greens and get healthier and stronger every year. It offers clear-cut direction on how to measure calories, what foods to eat, how much to eat, and the other factors which play a role in succeeding on the raw-food diet.
They grab at the water bottle and guzzle some water, and they almost vomit at the pain they experience.
I need to do an updated post cause I have started doing very strict raw till 4 (like eating no foods with oil in them whatsoever) and have lost even more weight even though I am eating better tasting foods. But then people like Andrew Perlot and Swayze foster say they gain when they eat more than like 2000-2500, but then durianrider makes videos about them saying what idiots they are…so who knows!!!
I do find it stressful to stuff down all the necessary calories and feel uncomfortable afterwards. I’ve heard it is good to go to different grocery stores and check the ripe fruit in the bargain bins. So you have to figure out how much fruit is enough to keep you full and satisfied without overeating.
I did not know about it, so I just jumped in, but if I had known about it, I probably would not have tried. For me too…I never feel I am rapidly losing weight, but over the past year and a half I have definitely lost weight. Some thoughts: One thing Ellen Fisher, who is a raw vegan with an awesome blog mangoislandmamma, told me is that sometimes smoothies are not that great because you drink the whole thing no matter whether you go past your point of hunger or not.
This uses a large amount of carbohydrate for fuel, maximises insulin sensitivity in the muscles and thus enables the high carbohydrate intake. I became addicted to my mp3 player, because I just didn’t have the zest to go through the day without some stimulating rhythm. Life is so much simpler now, leaving me more time and energy to devote to my partner, family, and clients.
As soon as I was on radio for the first time, many very mainstream friends began to take me more seriously. I have officially raced against Tour de France riders - not just trained with them, raced with them.
And if you want to live your life purpose and live a life of happiness, you'll have to stop taking things personally.
Rather, transmuting this energy into our life purpose, creativity, relationships, sports, etc.
I was inspired by this guy potato strong’s website and make his potato recipes a lot for dinner, and I feel I look a lot thinner now. When I was doing fully raw…I was making it to around 2500 a day using cronometer and I was losing tons.
Not to sayy greens aren’t important, but maybe focus on eating fruit for breakfast and lunch and a salad with dinner!
Also I have heard you can get good deals if you explain to people at farmer’s markets you are fruitarian and tell them you will be buying a ton of fruit. On the other hand, some people like sasha from rice and raw recommend packing in the fruit like freelee does saying it makes her feel a lot better when she eats very high calorie even though its hard to get it all down.
You feel amazing but it is difficult because it takes so much preparation, having ripe fruit on hand at all times and dealing with eating socially.
Maybe those niggly health problems you had prior to raw—aches and pains, lethargy, allergies, arthritis, skin conditions—start resurfacing out of nowhere.
We live in a fruit-phobic society, and anyone who eats more than two oranges in a sitting is seen as having an eating disorder!
The only sustainable solution is to become a fruit eater in earnest, ditching the "oh my god, that's too much fruit!" dogma.
Some people distance themselves from Internet, radio, TV, etc., but I know these are vey powerful tools for reaching our family and friends.
Lots of fruit books talk about why eating fruit is good, but they aren't written by a 100% raw vegan.
Kids in Bangladesh can do 811 by drinking coconuts and eating wild bananas and wild tender greens.
Taking things personally or being suspect of others' intentions often leads to burnout, while speaking from the heart and trying to combine truth with humor often leads to burning brighter.
So not drinking enough water and living clothed indoors in winter dry air is a MASSIVE hindrance.
The sugar is evil people are ahead for now and basically everyone thinks it is common knowledge that carbs make you fat and sugar is evil. But on raw till 4 which I am doing now…I stopped using cronometer and stopped worrying about carbing up and drinking like ten banana smoothies, which has been a lot less stressful.
Whatever the reason, raw just doesn’t seem to be working as well as it did in the beginning.
But, like I said, I didn’t acknowledge this as a problem with me, I just thought today’s world was too harsh. I just eat till I am full but don’t force it down like I was trying to do to make sure I was getting enough cals. I am trying to be patient and see if my body is truly healing like Freelea and Durianrider suggest. I hope you will keep us updated on your youtube how your journey continues to go… very interested!
Your enthusiasm diminishes, and in its place comes doubt, discontentment, and a plethora of questions. I tried doing the low carb thing basically my whole life as I always wanted to lose weight. I still wonder if I should be eating more and if that would make a huge difference in my energy levels though. Also, I have been wondering about freelee’s advice to get 2500 cals minimum and drink 1000 calorie plus smoothies. I wondered how I remained cavity free before when I didn’t even brush, let alone floss, let alone brush and floss thrice a day. I wish I had been keeping close track of my weight, but I vowed to not worry about weight and just stick with the lifestyle longterm so I barely weighed myself at all. But let me know what else you have heard about it, and let me know if you have any problems with it!! I feel it is good in one way as it helps people get over calorie restriction and not fall off the lifestyle completely. Just recently I weighed myself and noticed I’d lost ten pounds from where I was a year ago. However for me, I don’t feel I am in danger of falling off the wagon completely and going back to eating animal products even if I do get really really hungry.
But when I tried this underground totally counter intuitive HIGH CARB thing, it worked and I finally lost weight. But yeah, not everyone agrees with them on eating 2500-3000 cal minimum, and many people say they gain when they do this. I asked doug graham about this at the woodstock fruit festival…I was like is it true if you drink more calories you will have more energy and he was like no not at all. Just to give a really basic answer, fruit comes in the perfect package of fiber along with it’s sugar that helps the sugar to digest perfectly. I urge everyone to try just eating 20 bananas in one day and see for yourself the difference in your skin alone.
My weight loss took like this whole year so longterm I think things will even out, but it takes a really long time. But yeah, I totally get where you are coming from because basically every thing and every person in every mainstream news source is constantly saying sugar is evil. It honestly makes me sad to see people restricting their calories so much and cutting out all the foods that would give us energy… every cell in the body runs on sugar. Will you please comment on my Facebook page or blog when you get the book and let me know your thoughts.
Other ideas for you to try that I have heard people talk about frequently for weight loss: try eating water rich fruits like melons rather than fruits like bananas and dates. His savory veggie stew recipes are really good and I recently bought his recipe for raw spaghetti with a special sauce that he keeps sending emails out about saying it will help you lose a ton of weight. I like his newsletters a lot, they are very informative, even though he can be a bit wacky. He sent out an email today talking about how not everyone can eat all the fruit they care for and stay slim like freelee and durianrider say.
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