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Location: NJ Displacement speed HP requirements for 20' flat bottom skiff I have put together a design for an extremely simple, 20' x 6' flat bottom skiff with one purpose in mind-getting my whole family out on the lake safely and comfortably. On the lake we don't need to do more than 7 knots, unless maybe a storm blows in and we want to get off the water fast.
Location: Eustis, FL That's a full plane mode hull form, so displacement speeds will be very inefficient, dragging the transom and all.
Originally Posted by PAR You should design the boat for what you need and not try to make it do more than it can. Another 2' of cockpit room would be desirable, but I doubt a boat like this is easily lengthened.
Location: Eustis, FL That's a more difficult build than a slab sided flat bottom. Location: Beaufort, SC and H'ville, NC You also don't need a 20' boat to do what you are asking. Picture shows 4+photographer heading out for a day on the Florida Bay with the 25 on center and a 3 for backup and trolling. Location: Eustis, FL Agreed, I've been nice about the realities of the design posted. Originally Posted by YotaTruck I have put together a design for an extremely simple, 20' x 6' flat bottom skiff with one purpose in mind-getting my whole family out on the lake safely and comfortably. Same disign, but in plywood and 20 ft long will have 7 knots with an engine 7 hp, and 12-15 knots with two engins 7 hp. Location: Spain WindRaf, the boat is nice but seems likely to acquire a huge boat trim as captain at the stern and the boat starts to navigate. On the other hand, it seems that the most logical way, perhaps the only, to build it is using GRP and a mold, which is not cheap, am I wrong?.
I was (rather rudely) told that I would kill myself and my entire family if I attempted to take them out on the water in it by some folks over at a pleasure boating forum which shall remain unnamed. Originally Posted by PAR Agreed, I've been nice about the realities of the design posted. Location: Australia Both these creations, the OP's and windraf, look like they would get booked for impersonating a boat, you must be better off with an established design tailored to your requirements.
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THE PLAN: To design a boat with the maximum volume, load carrying ability, safety and comfort within the set parameters. PROGRESSION: Working within these parameters I have drawn many many designs, the parameters really limit the options, I have looked into catamarans, trimarans, foldable designs, demountable designs, kites, inflatable amas or hulls, split rigs etc. I would have liked to have gone with some of my foldable bridge deck catamaran designs, but it appears to me that you just cannot realistically achieve good living space and full standing room in hulls and bridgedeck in a design that has to stay under 4.25 meters tall. Some of the foldable trimarans (farrier,dragonfly etc.) are very interesting although from everything I have seen no designer has taken full advantage of the dimensions of a road legal trailer, please post up if you know of a boat that is say 38-41 feet long and fits within the road legal trailer limits. I have checked out cat2fold, it is an interesting design but appears to me (amatuer) to just not be big enough for serious blue water cruising.
All that being said, just as the bigger the 4wd&tyres=the smaller the terrain the bigger the boat=the smaller the wave. I want it to be demountable and all of the components easy to handle, as such I am seriously considering a split rig to keep mast length and weight down, so stepping the masts is quick and easy.
YOUR HELP: I would like the help of those in the know primarily for the hull hydrodynamics.
SOME SKETCHES: Words only go so far so I will include here some rough sketches and scale sketches that i have drawn, again all very rough.
DEVELOPMENT: Once a suitable design has been finalised I would like to build a working model scaled to say 14 footish. While most modern multis have relatively high freeboard, IMO your design has too much and I don't think its necessary.
By way of comparison attached drawings of a couple of demountable Tennant cats in the 40 foot range.
One of the main things I want to know is if the design fits the criteria of what has already been discussed and is a two hull, non pod design with say full standing room in the shower and galley.
Can anyone give approximate figures on the weight of an opendeck demountable 41 foot catamaran?
Location: Montana Cat2fold again I was multitasking when i read your first post and missed this part.
A Jayar (or similar) built of foam should fit your weight requirements and the pod could probably be transported sitting on top. None of the above have been designed to be particularly easy to demount, but this is really just a matter of engineering something more appropriate.
Also suggest you have a yarn to Mike Leneman of Multimarine about his 39' cat Minette, which he has dismantled and moved around to various cruising grounds. My reading of the trailer regs is that given the maximum allowable dimensions of your trailer you could carry a flared tri main hull of 3 metres or more beam, with the floats stowed underneath and be able to trail it without a permit. This is where the majority of my design ideas have been focused, on folding or demounting systems that are simple and strong.
The aussies routinely trail and setup racing cats in the larger sizes so you might get some pointers from that direction. My reading of the trailer regs is that given the maximum allowable dimensions of your trailer you could carry a flared tri main hull of 3 metres or more beam, with the floats stowed underneath and be able to trail it without a permit. My reading of the above links makes me think that the sensible size to make any overdimension width is just less than 3.1 meters, after that point more requirements and cost are involved.
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Location: Melbourne, Australia farriers F39 trimaran has some really good ideas implemented for a maxi trailerable boat it's too wide to trailer without demounting but if you wanted to pull the boat out and live on it while it was on a hardstand it would be a good option. Location: US Bob and Skint, I wouldn't worry too much about patent infringement.


First, many of the patents have expired long ago, including the famous Farrier parallelogram folding beam. This has implications for overall displacement and load carrying capacity especially if you are thinking of ocean cruising.
Thats an interesting point - I am not sure to what extent 'divisible' is taken literally by the NZTA. With demountability in mind, I was thinking more of something like this Hughes 38 (maybe with a wider centre hull) with alloy tube beams.
I guess whether incorporating folding into the design is worth it comes down to how often you envisage pulling the boat out of the water. I have been giving this some more thought, I'll post up some pics soon of the kind of design that I am thinking of, but I'll give a quick description now.
The boat would be a bi-plane rig preferably with unstayed short masts to keep the COE and COG down, also unstayed for the simplicity of not having to connect and tighten the stays. Max accommodation in the hulls obviously, possibly some hard deck between the hulls, but mainly tramps. Simply put, if you're primary need is displacement speed, then a displacement hull is the logical choice, knowing it'll never get up on plane. You design could be fixed, it needs some rocker aft and would handle and steer better if the stern quarters where pinched in a bit. My old skiff at 15'9",with a small pram bow, shallow vee bottom, made of 7mm Okoume, would easily carry 5 adults totaling 1000 pounds.
The boat has long overhangs and really is more comparable to much shorter versions of other boats. The hull is a development of proven lines by Charlie Giffard of Strathclyde Maritime Design, optimised for large load capacity and excellent seakeeping in exposed waters. Designed under Bill Mitchell's direction, it was penned by Jerry Hirshberg, future head of design for Nissan, mating the two-piece vee-butted[ fastback rear window, inspired by the 1963 Corvette Sting Ray split window coupe, to the Riviera's platform. Performance remained reasonably brisk, with a 0-60 time of 8.1 seconds for the GS, but the Riviera's sporty image was rapidly fading. The 1971 Riviera also features GM's "Full-Flo" ventilation system and two large deck lid louvers are prominent on the trunk lid.
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Said boat should be fully liveable whether in the ocean or parked up in a camp ground (living areas must stay upright). I have read many designers talking about blue water boats having to be big boats regardless of the number of hulls. Obviously as my design is far more cruising orientated hi-tech composites and rig are not such a consideration.
I found his design theories very interesting I am fascinated by his twin masted soft wing sail rigs. I do not want through hull fittings, as such I would like kick up rudders, 2 x outboard engines. Note some sketches are merely to visualise one idea so consider it all as a bit of a rough brainstorm.
I only designed the big ugly hulls the way I did for maximum room, obviously if they need to be trimmed up or completely changed to give any degree of performance I am fine with that. Note this is an older design for DD ply as opposed to the Bladerunner which is cedar strip with foam and carbon ring frames.
Unfortunately it appears that you are stuck with the 1.2m foot hull width, if you want to trail them together, because two cat hulls counts as a divisible load.
Although if I was buying a second hand boat I'd think twice about buying a chopped and stretched one, I think such a thing could seriously harm resale. The plan is to bring the boat to trailer beam on the water, then winch it on the trailer, no need for a telescoping trailer that can handle the weights out wide of the boat. I get that I can't go wider than that but is it that much of a problem considering the max length of 12.5 meters? Yes it seems if a load is just oversize by a bit then it may not need a permit or pilot vehicle $$$ The lady I talked to said that I was best to read the requirements of a CAT1 overdimension load, so I did. If the beams of the tri are the widest point like in a farrier design, would this not be considered a devisable load, so the beams and amas would need to be removed? You pointing out that the cabin soles can be much lower has really thrown a spanner in the works of my designs as I had started out with folding designs with a pod, then removed it once I thought there was not enough height, now I'm designing with a pod again! They show the dismountable hulls known as amas tucked in under the main hull on the trailer.
Here in the states our standard diesel pickups can haul over 20,000 lbs with little or no extra permits or regulations.
It can be achieved by angling the topsides out or with a hull flare or step to avoid an overly wide waterline. Also as the beams slip through collars on the hulls they need to not have any attachments on them, just plain tube aluminium is what I am thinking.
I am a little concerned about the mast steps going right to the keel, as this will affect interior room and getting past it may be an issue. Of course where and how much to place the rocker, how much to tuck in the aft sections, etc. Hull bottom and sides were gotten out of two sheets of 16' ply book matched and cut together. The first thing Yota should do is decide what this boat is going to be, then develop a set of shaped well suited for this goal(s).
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Also It is unlikely you could utilise full headroom from bow to stern, assuming you will have berths at each ends like most tube-cats.You could save weight windage cost etc by pruning it back where appropriate. Also same question but with a central pod with sitting height only, weight of the boat approximately? The hulls are the same length and width as the Targa, a little deeper and more full in the ends. The pictures look to me like each hull has it's own castor wheeled frame, not a single trailer that the boat dismounts from. A rough length to beam ratio of 10-1 (about where I want for a cruising boat from what I've read.) Wouldn't going wider than that in a boat that length just make for slow hulls? But it's all good stuff I'm learning and getting this feedback has been great for me to progress with my sketches. Downside is this boat has to be assembled when trucked and that takes a day or two and would include crane time. I don't have a payload figure for the Jayar as I don't know the mt weight but IF you could build one at around the same or a little more weight than the Targa (which seems reasonable) you could be looking at a payload of around 2000kg. You might be able to get a permit to road haul a fully assembled, folded 39 (the 36 does not fold), but at 4.8 metres wide it would be an expensive exercise. As going wider is not really an option, I would like to ask the question, what if the hulls were taller? If it's a displacement putt putt, then he should be looking maybe toward a driftboat type of deal, possibly a dory or a rowing skiff.
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In the same materials I'd expect the Jayar sans pod to weigh a little more than the Targa, but not much more. Also once going bigger the target weight of 3500KG for trailer and load seems to be less achieveable. Sliding, telescoping, cranking open, folding up, down or sideways have all been done and I guarantee that you will be sued if your design remotely resembles one of these. If you had a couple of kids I could see some real advantages in having the separate hulls of a cat . I would prefer rounded or mostly rounded bilges with leeway prevention not taking away valuable interior space. As the overall concept is relatively simple I would hope the cost and build time would be lower than a complex folding design. Its subsequent development was influenced by Karakhanid, Ghaznavid, and (especially) Iranian Seljuk art. After tese earliest examples, there was almost four centuries of time gap, which no book illustrations survived, until the preiod of the Suljuks in Anatolia.
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It was invented by Housam Roumi and reached its height of popularity under SA?leyman I the Magnificent. I have read about numerous boats being stretched in the design or building stage or even years later so why not explore this possibility? Make it so you can loosen these slightly in the hull connection assembly so the tubes will slide in the connection while you winch the 2 hulls together.
I see Kurt shows a version with telescoping beams that has a measurement of around 3.8m pulled in which appears just over the limit for the Cat one load regs. It was designed as a sailboat and couldn't quite use all the 25 efficiently, but it would carry a hell of a load of traps at 12 knots. Islamic Religion Tours ( Sahabe ) in Istanbul,Mosques - Sahabe Tombs - Cemeteries - Religious places visit In Istanbul.
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You are showing a planing bottom and a topsides that are not really suitable or safe for a planing boat.
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