Denying the reality of supernatural intervention from God (miracles) causes one to resemble the hilarious characters in Joseph Heller’s famous novel Catch-­22, which features an American bomber squadron situated in World War II Europe. The reality of miracles is perhaps best illustrated by the fact that the primary philosophical arguments against miracles present in contemporary scholarship constitute textbook examples of such “paradoxical, circular reasoning” that catch their victims in illogic.
The 18th century Scottish atheist philosopher David Hume first formulated the main contemporary arguments against miracles. How does Hume determine if an individual is of “good sense, education, and learning, as to secure us against all delusion in themselves”?
Keener responds by pointing out that one must declare a majority of the world’s population to be “ignorant and barbarous” in order to declare that only “ignorant and barbarous” peoples believe in supernatural intervention. Keener spends several chapters detailing how the experience of miracles is absolutely pervasive throughout Latin America, Asia, and Africa, and has been a major source of church growth in these areas. Why, then, does western culture (and much of modern western academia) differ so vehemently with the majority of the world’s population, when it comes to the topic of miracles?
Further, it is crucial to understand that the insights of modern physics which were not available in Hume’s day have made it immensely more difficult to justify a theory or philosophy of the cosmos that does not include God.
The difficulty which the modern western mind has in grasping the concept of the material world being the product of a mind can be compared to the difficulty which many ancient people must have had in accepting the concept of the Earth being round. And if what we perceive as the material world is the result of a mind (read: God’s mind), rather than being “inert matter locked into a sort of gigantic deterministic clockwork” (in the words of physicists Davies and Gribbin), what reason remains for denying divine intervention…miracles? Keener notes that, “None of the ancient sources respond to Jesus’ miracles by trying to deny them.” Even ancient sources hostile towards Christianity, such as the 1st century Jewish historian Josephus and the ancient Roman historian Celsus, do not attempt to deny Jesus’ miracles. In order to be truly objective, one must subject the core assumptions of one’s own birth society to just as much scrutiny as anything else.
So why haven’t you responded to my asking you how you can justify the Big Bang (which I also believe in) when it totally violates FLOT? In general, we need to keep in mind that the BB describes the beginning of the Classical Universe, not the Quantum, and FLOT describes the laws of the Classical Universe, not the Quantum. If we could even establish that FLOT applied before the Classical Universe, we would need to be able to measure the energy content of the pre-BB Universe in order to determine that there was a violation of FLOT. But you’ll not be convinced of that until, if, and when you decide that you’re open to the possibility. I would agree with your big red sign, with the small correction that the sign is planted just on this side (Planck time) of the BB event, not the other side.
However, as your friend the Right Reverend Sharpton would also say, you seem to have taken one step forward, and two steps back. Sorry to burst your bubble Ron but you have only experienced this faith because you wanted it to happen; it is simply a human trait that has had humans worshiping gods from the Stone Age.
Oooh, this is another error much like the myth of Darwinism in that it is accepted lemming-like and without any serious thinking through.
Christianity is totally unlike Islam, which teaches Muslims to kill those infidels who will not convert to Islam.
It’s too long a story to go into here, and not one that you’d be interested in, but suffice it to say that it very quickly “mutated” into an evil and counterfeit church, interestingly as I showed you earlier, in the same way that most most mutations are harmful rather than helpful to the original non-mutated entity. Bye, guy, and start re-thinking knee-jerk agreements with myths that just “sound right” but that fall apart when properly thought through. Ron, indoctrination of religious faith is by no means an error or a myth, there is no other reason why young men are eager to travel overseas to fight for religious terrorists and become martyrs for their religion if it is not from this process and Christians have done exactly the same thing.
Have you forgotten recent history, Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland or don’t you count that one because only about three and a half thousand died in their last major conflict? I must ask you if you ever considered reading the First Testament and adding up the violent parts and then claim that your loving God loved his enemies?
I understand from what you wrote that you believe your religion is the best one considering you have just shot down both of the biggest religions on the planet. The idea that religion causes violence is taken as an almost self-evident truth in many circles. Thus, it is impossible to establish which conflicts were caused by “religion” and which conflicts were caused by “politics” or “culture” because such categories have no intrinsic meaning, but rather, are human inventions. And history provides no better example of violence legitimized for “secular” reasons than the violence committed by atheistic communism (although many scholars believe that Marxist communism fits the definition of a “religion”). With political systems that embrace atheism or concepts of human dignity that are rooted in atheism, no such perversion is necessary. Nazism was not officially atheist, but it was staunchly anti-religious and similar to communism in the respect that it adopted concepts of human dignity that are rooted in atheist philosophy.
When I say that “no such perversion is necessary,” I mean that the atheist worldview greatly diminishes the value of human life by declaring that people are nothing but “survival machines” that exist mainly to pass on their genes and ensure the survival of the species. In a nutshell, because atheism denies the existence of any “supernatural” (or transcendent) reality, it also, by extension, denies that humans have any transcendent value. The Nazis killed anyone and everyone who they did not feel was worthy to pass on their genes. And exterminating everyone perceived to be “savage” or unworthy of passing on their genes is exactly what the Nazis tried to do.
What one kills “in the name of” is far less relevant than the philosophical factors that facilitate or motivate killing. Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which blended ideas of racial purity and Nazi ideology with elements of Christianity. I am sure with most of the wars through history they had similar cases of politics and religion and I believe we could raise the deaths another couple of million at least.
I just cannot believe your connection with the Darwin haters and how they go about degrading him. Darwin may not have known that his theory would rationalize one of the worst genocides in history. Put another way, if humans are nothing but glorified animals without a soul (as atheism declares), then what is the problem with sending humans to slaughterhouses like we send animals to slaughterhouses?
I have learnt that you cherry pick your references to such an extreme to support your arguments you mostly quote people who are in the minority groups and do not have the support of the majority of the scientific communities or the major religions for that matter but have written a book or two that interest a group of religious people because it supports their belief. If you could quote unemotionally and objectively from people who do have the facts or theories that are supported by the majority of experts in the field rather than individualistic people who support a minority view or professors whose name should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Darwin, you would lend yourself more credibility. I know you have quoted Vladimir Lenin and I accept this and respect the views you quoted by R.J. My response is if anybody kills other people in the name of religion or because of political views that relate to Lenin’s case it must be said that if they had been religious they have completely dumped religious teachings regarding morals and humanity and have accepted alternative views that cannot be claimed to be completely atheist views.
Often politics is comprised of non-religious people who believe in a deity but do not practice any specific religion, however atheism is not about worship, a deity, religion or politics. Those who try to wriggle free of the truth of miracles resemble Yossarian in his attempts to avoid flying dangerous bombing missions. Hume’s primary argument is that miracles cannot occur because they constitute violations of natural law.
The answer reveals not only the circularity of Hume’s logic, but also his appalling ethnocentric bias.
Disbelief in miracles first requires that one subscribe to a theory (or philosophy) that denies the existence of God.

Specifically, as difficult as it is for the western mind to grasp, modern physics has shown that what we perceive as the material world is the product of a mind. Even Christians in the modern west are susceptible to a subconscious skepticism toward miracles which stems from the subtle influence of deeply rooted western philosophical traditions. We need to know these conditions if we’re going to proclaim that any Universal Laws have been violated by the Big Bang.
If so, what was the energy of the singularity, that we can say there was a violation of FLOT? You’re the one who claimed to have knowledge of the pre-BB cosmogony, and I helpfully pointed out the folly of that. As for your claim that we cannot say there is no spiritual force beyond it all, I agree, and haven’t said otherwise.
You acknowledge that we do not know what happened before the BB, but then turn around and claim to have just that knowledge. Faith is just another condition of the human mind such as imagination that influences our thought processes. From the internet you can find the Eighty Years War in 1568, the French Wars of Religion in 1562, the Thirty Years War in 1618, and the English Civil Wars in 1639. If you don’t know about this go to this link where a religious person is actually trying to justify these criminal acts. Tell me will the people of these religions ever get to heaven and how you know you have chosen the religion God approves of. Only the religious people who feel threatened with his evolutionary science would ever call it a myth.
Atheists often use this as a justification for embracing a “secular” lifestyle and belief system that does not acknowledge the existence of God. Just as going to the hospital does not guarantee that someone will recover from an illness, adopting “religious” beliefs that promote peace and love will not guarantee that a person will become peaceful and loving. I recommend From Darwin to Hitler by professor of modern European history Richard Weikart, to explore this subject further. This is why the communists were able to send people to their deaths in “gulags” (or prison camps) in such great numbers with so little restraint.
This severely devalued concept of human life is what allowed the communists to justify their historically unprecedented killing spree. It seemed to them perfectly justifiable to kill any “survival machines” with what they perceived to be “undesirable” genes.
This is evidenced by the fact that the communists and Nazis were by FAR the most prolific killers in all of human history.
If you read my statement properly you would have seen that I wrote “Millions of lives were lost based on religion and politics” and this has just about been the case for many of the wars in our history. In suggesting Darwin’s scientific theories were Hitlers scientific justification and supported his warped morality to murder the Jews I would say Weikart is probably mentally unstable because this is in any terms a desperate form of denigration. I challenge you to cite a single historian from an accredited university who argues that Hitler was a Christian. Recall the communism is an OFFICIALLY atheist ideology and that communism is BY FAR the most blood drenched ideology in all of human history. I can find authors who write about alien abductions and unidentified spaceships to use as references if I were to try and convince you these are real but when it comes down to backing up any argument they really do not have much weight at all. Rummel even though I think his use of the term atheism in many cases should be substituted by non-religious. This is because just like Hitler he never claimed to be one or said he never believed in God and we understand if they claimed they were atheist’s this does not mean you automatically have no morals, humanity or understanding of decency, it only suggests their political views. It cannot be called evil or the devils work like some do because it is principally based on science and reality not on politics. Would you like to have that kind of experience?A Well, that is exactly what happened to the children of Israel when they left Egypt and wandered in the wilderness for forty years.
This deeply rooted western philosophical tradition, known as naturalism or materialism, says that, since nothing exists except for the “natural world” of material objects interacting with one another in a mindless and mechanical fashion, belief in God (and miracles) is an airy­-fairy superstition.
Much as the concept of a spherical Earth was a non-­intuitive shock for such people, the concept of a mental universe is a non-­intuitive shock to the western mind. Of course, there are problems explaining that massive fluctuation but those problems are not because of FLOT.
Without knowledge of the pre-BB conditions, you cannot say that it was necessary to override FLOT. You imagined God is telling you that you have found him and the bible that provides simple explanations and understanding of why we exist without regards of any alternative scientific evidence and theories with the motivation for some people of not wanting to go to Hell.
How judgemental you are of your fellow Christians because the massacre of 3000 Christian Pilgrims in Jerusalem prompted the first crusade so you are a bit harsh on them considering the west still sends soldiers to fight the Muslims. Although each of these wars was fought for various political or economic purposes, it was driven by a disagreement of religion.
I am not going to argue with you about Darwin, the simple answer for you is that many religions have accepted his discoveries and conveniently fitted them into their faith and this includes your arch enemy the Catholic Church.
But if a person kills in the name of a religion with a text that clearly says, “Thou shalt not kill,” that person is clearly perverting that religion. As Lenin is quoted above, the atheist communists “repudiate all morality that proceeds from supernatural ideas”….such as the supernatural Judeo-Christian idea that human beings have a supernatural soul and therefore transcendent value.
As Weikart points out, the racist Nazi rationalization for killing comes straight from Darwin. And as time passes, the link between rejecting the Judeo-Christian concept of the sacredness of human life and killing just becomes more apparent. Since you issued this aggressive statement I can tell you that at least 6 million Jews died during the Second World War. If humans are nothing but “survival machines” (in the words of atheist biologist Richard Dawkins), what is the problem with sending them to their deaths in the millions? This denial of the sanctity of human life was necessary for the slaughter committed by both the Nazis and the Communists. He did not follow the teachings or worship him but evidently must have been on the creationist side rather than evolutionary. Are there many books if any that claim exactly what this eccentric religious professor Weikart has written? It may even actually reinforce the fact they believed in God and used the word atheism as a temporary way out to justify their behaviour. Atheism is about being as human and free thinking as you can possibly get but like anybody atheists can get hung up on dangerous political views and when religion is not intertwined into a political system it is called an atheist system by religious groups. This is much the same way faith has led to motivate the radicalised young men going overseas to murder people in religiously supported terrorist acts. This period of Christian Civil War, resulted in a major decline of Catholic influence and a rise of Protestant influence that should make you happy. This is clearly illustrated today in the stark difference between North Korea and South Korea. And they were only murdered because they were Jewish by a dictator who also embraced Positive Christianity that is described below quoted from Wikipedia.

In reality if Hitler had any belief in Darwin’s work which is a debatable subject anyway because he was a believer of God and Darwin could have never known his ideas would be exploited and distorted by the dictator into horrific mass murder. OK I don’t doubt Hitler said a lot of stuff against religion and he clearly was mentally challenged but he did never claim to be an outright Atheist. And how many others will put their name forward claiming Darwin’s theories are directly associated with Hitler’s actions to murder the Jewish people? It is important you don’t fall into the trap of saying because no religion is obviously associated with the politics it is an atheist system because most atheists who are good logical people would decide support on it’s merits and of course in these cases most would not want to associate or have anything to do with it. The word a€?tempteda€? comes from the Greek word peiradzo, an old Greek word that means to put to the test. If you do have knowledge of the pre-BB conditions, share it with the world and collect your Nobel Prize. Millions of lives were lost based on religion and politics just like the wars we have today.
Has this theory been written, tested and supported by world acclaimed experts and supported by the majority of non-religious or even most religious historians? It would be similar to saying all religions follow the Islamic State idealism because it is associated to a deity. It meansA to test an object to see if its quality is as good as others have claimed, boasted, or advertised. North Korean citizens are routinely thrown into such camps (often to die) for believing in God, of for infractions as minor as sitting on a newspaper photo of the dictator (Kim Jong Il). All the answers are no and In fact there are a great many views on this subject and most have a great deal more merit than your Professor of history who clearly holds Darwin as the key to Hitler’s mind set and the Holocaust. Forinstance, if you hear that a certain product is the finest of its kind in the world, it would be naturalA for you to want to check out and test the product to verify whether or not it really lives up to itsA claims.
If they hadna€™tA had the divine intervention of God, they would never have survived their flight from Egypt or their yearsA in the wilderness. Although you didna€™t intend to get into that financial mess, you found yourself in a situation where you needed to see the goodness of God! You had heard and believed that God is a supernatural Provider;therefore, in a certain sense, your situation created a moment when Goda€™s goodness and delivering power could be tested. This situation would be the equivalent of you saying, a€?Lord, You say that You are a great Provider, so I need You to show me who You are!
The word a€?proveda€? is takenA from the Greek wordA dokimadzo, which describes something that has been tested and found to be true and genuine. It can be also translated as something that is authentic, reliable, approved, trustworthy, and real.A Moses had declared the goodness of God to the children of Israel, but each challenge they facedA gave God an opportunity to prove that He is exactly as Moses had declared Him to be.
But in a broader sense, horao carries the idea of seeing, perceiving, understanding, experiencing, and assimilating into onea€™s self. This tells us that the children ofIsrael saw and experienced enough of Goda€™s power to fully understand and assimilate it into theirA consciousness.
If this is true, and if you take into account that God fed His people every day for 40 years, this meansA 65,700,000 tonsA of manna supernaturally appeared on the ground over a period of forty years! A This manna appeared so regularly, so faithfully, so a€?day in and day out,a€? that after a while, theA children of Israel didna€™t even think too much of it anymore.
Supernatural provision became so commonplaceA among them that they forgot how supernatural it was and began to accept it as a normal,A regular occurrence. Thata€™s right a€” if each Israelite ate only one quail a day, in one month it would amount to 90,000,000 quail.
If they ate two quail a day, the total numberA needed to feed them all for thirty days would rise toA 180,000,000 quail. Thata€™s how many quail it took to feed that crowd of three million Israelites in a thirty-day period. The thick clouds of quail must have been dense enough to nearly block the peoplea€™s view of the sun!
From what distance did God supernaturally call in the quail to feed the children of Israel?A This phenomenon simply could not be naturally explained.
It was just as miraculous as the 4,500 tons of manna that miraculously appeared on the ground everyA morning for forty years.A How about the water that came out of the rock to meet the Israelitesa€™ need for water in the wilderness? Do you have any idea how much water it would take to support three million Israelites in the blistering hot temperatures of the wilderness?
And consider the amount of water it would have taken to adequatelyA nourish 3,000,000 people and all the animals in the hot temperatures of the wilderness.
But because there was no natural source of water, it had to be provided for themA supernaturally.A So God told Moses to strike the rock (see Exodus 17). And once water started to flow, it continued to flowA and flow and flow, providing all the water needed by the people of God. After experiencing this kind of miraculous supply on such a continual basis, they should have trusted the Lord andA found it easy to follow Him. Hadna€™t He always supernaturally provided what they needed when there was no natural provision to be found?
What a privileged generation they were to see such marvelous acts of God!A But in spite of all the Israelites had seen, experienced, and assimilated about Goda€™s goodness, they became hardhearted. It was also used to describe the hardened soil of the desert a€” soil that was so hardened that water was unable to penetrate it and instead rolled right off. Is it possible that they became calloused toA the goodness of God because He had showered them with so much goodness? The word a€?hardena€? seems to imply they becameA so calloused that nothing impressed them anymore. No matter how much of Goda€™s Spirit was poured out on them, His Presence justA rolled off them, unable to penetrate their hard hearts. He changed you, healed you, delivered you, rescued your family,A gave you a new job, answered your prayers, and provided for you financially time and time again,A showering you with blessing upon blessing over the years.
He proved Himself again and again, repeatedlyA demonstrating that He is reliable, trustworthy, and true. ItA is true that You have showered me with nonstop blessings a€” and today I want to take thisA opportunity to thank You for every good thing Youa€™ve done in my life. The situations I haveA faced in my life have put You to the test, and You have jumped at every chance to prove howA good You are. I have everyA reason to trust Him, for He has proven Himself to me again and again and I know He willA never let me down. As you read todaya€™s Breakfast, did you begin to think of all the times God has supernaturally provided for your own life? It would be very beneficial for youA to take a few minutes to reflect on all the times God has miraculously suppliedA what you needed.A 2. Have you had so many miraculous provisions in your life that youa€™ve begunA to lose your appreciation for all that God has done for you?

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