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Obama's plan covers four major aspects of gun violence prevention -- gun laws, criminal justice, school security, and mental health funding -- and each of these is represented in the top four rated proposals. The two least-broadly supported proposals, but ones majorities of Americans still favor, are reinstating and strengthening the 1994-2004 ban on assault weapons (60%), and limiting the sale of ammunition magazines to those with 10 rounds or less (54%). The three other specific policies tested in the new poll that garner somewhat lower -- although still majority -- support are federal funding for 15,000 street police officers (70%), federal funding for helping schools develop emergency response plans (69%), and banning the possession of armor-piercing bullets by civilians (67%). Although Democrats show more support than Republicans for each proposal, majorities of both partisan groups favor seven of the nine proposals. The two proposals favored by majorities of Democrats, but not Republicans, relate to enacting bans on the sale of guns or ammunition. Now that President Obama has outlined his plan for preventing gun violence, Congress must decide what to take up, and when.
Certain types of gun control policies enjoy broad public support, but so do proposals aimed at treating youth with mental health problems before they can become a danger to society, and increasing school security measures.
If Congress is looking to public opinion for what to pass first, the poll indicates background checks, stiffer penalties on straw purchasers, bans on armor-piercing bullets, and more funding for police, school security, and mental health programs would face little public resistance.
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One of the best means, by far, of removing illegally possessed firearms from the hands of bad guys was during police interactions with known criminals. The round severed the officer’s femoral artery before exiting his body via his abdomen. This happened in an area known for gun violence that was once curtailed by proactive policing tactics, such as stopping and talking to known criminals and then asking if they’d agree to a quick pat-down for weapons. Lee, so many of the things you list as laws require a universal background check as otherwise, the seller has no idea who the buyer is and whether they are breaking one of those laws by selling the gun.
But, Larry Buhl, how does adding more of the same on top of the many of the already repetitive laws help? The best place to start is to get the guns away from the hands of bad guys, while simultaneously focusing on terrorists who live within our borders, preventing potential terrorist from coming into the country, deporting illegals who are known criminals, helping the mentally ill, training citizen gun owners, etc. The other thing that infuriates me is the inaccurate and (I can only think deliberate) inflammatory language of the press. Oh, in PA my neighbor can sell me his .38, but the final sale must be witness by a licensed dealer who, you guessed it, would run a background check and requires proof of license. I know that the stop and frisk makes people upset, but I believe it was an effective tactic. I’m sorry about your former student and am so glad that someone with training was there to help. Larry Marshall – I have no idea as to how many people, without a prior criminal history, have shot someone. And that brings up this point – Would any gun law on the books, new or old, prevent those first-time shootings?
I’m trying to take the discussion one level above policy and consider the bigger picture, where there may not be any simple answer.
I do wonder though about the people who buy their children guns for birthday presents and as for the NY state annual squirrel shoot organised by the fire fighters as a fund raiser (children are encouraged to join in) – WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?
Of course we have had terrorist related shooting, but they’ve obtained guns in the way the other criminals have done. We, as a nation, are very happy with our gun laws, but just recently an idiot decided that the law should be relaxed to bring in some high-powered weapons for public access. Our police and military, farmers, professional shooters, security guards and sporting shooters are the ones who are entitled to licences and they have to keep their weapons under regulated security conditions. I don’t think anyone was overly upset by these laws at the time the gun buy-back was done, although there were a some grumbles. In those instances, collecting guns is no different than someone who collects cars (Jay Leno), or thimbles, or bells, like my grandmother used to collect.
Then there are game hunters, such as the deer hunters in the south who also enjoy the companionships of their peers as well as shooting game that becomes part of their family meals. Possibly if someone took me to a shooting range and I started taking some shots, I would have a revelation about the beauty of guns. There’s a guy in Texas who shot somebody for parking in front of his lawn, and he owned that weapon legally by all indications. Of course, at the same time, violent crime rates are steadily declining, both against civilians *and* against police officers. The lack of a restrictive law regarding an individual selling a firearm to his neighbor or giving a shotgun as a gift to his grandson for hunting purposes sort of makes sense, if that’s a far as it goes.
We hear that violence against police officers is declining, but that statement is extremely misleading. As for the American fascination with firearms, I’ve actually had this discussion with an Aussie friend of mine before. You look around most of the world, and most of the modern former imperial colonies achieved their independence through the breakdown of the empire that held them.
Most other countries either have bitter memories of empires once maintained by force of arms that were effectively beaten down by people asking (kinda) nicely and waiting them out, or their history of conquest was conducted by the empire that they achieved independence from. Add on top of that the icing on the cake – the USA has done a very good job of keeping the carnage of its warfare safely *over there* for over a hundred years. Is it any wonder why people who are just a little unhinged and maybe have some issues feel it necessary to grab the biggest, deadliest, hardest-shooting phallic symbol they can find and are just begging for an excuse to use it?
I believe that both sides (pro- and anti-gun) want the same thing, but we’re typically too busy yelling over each other to accomplish anything.
Jason, i can’t speak with an authority regarding your comment about people begging for an excuse to grab and use the biggest, deadliest, hardest-shooting phallic symbol available. Sure, there are individuals who are a bit off-center and carry things to the extreme, but those people are generally the exception to the rule, not the standard. As always, I value your insight, and I appreciate that you remembered I try to stick to fact here on this site, not emotions and opinion. My thought for a long time is that we should have a general possession license – one that you can get by demonstrating the basic skills and competencies.
I was talking more about the sort of nuts who lead to us having these discussions (see prior example re: guy who shot somebody for parking in front of his house).
I don’t have any concrete answers, but maybe if we address the root causes of gun violence we can begin to reduce its frequency. I guess my bottom line is that in my opinion, the United States is the most aggressive, violent country in the world for dozens of reasons, and until we start rectifying these problems with real solutions, nothing will change. Each weapon type was made for certain activities: Assault rifles (which are effectively banned in the US) were made for war.
In addition to closing the gun show loophole (I think Colorado has done this so why not enact that same law nationally?) it seems to me that a handgun ban would meet Lee’s requirement. Chris, I believe some of your points (family structure, glorification of violence, and generational poverty) are present in other cultures that don’t have the gun violence problems we have here in the US. I get nervous around folks I do not know that carry guns in public (at least the people that I have no basis for presuming competence and lack of bad intent).
I think the idea that having more people on the streets with weapons would make us a safer society is ludicrous unless you provide the same level of training and certification we require for police or military. I also think we probably have enough laws already, but not sure why the penalty for possession of an illegal firearm is not extreme and non-negotiable (in way of deterrent).
One last question about firearm deaths… I have heard people say that more people accidently shoot themselves or people they know than die from deliberate shootings.

The ATF learned that a commercially available handgun called the Fabryka Broni Radom, Model Onyks 89S, could fire 7N6 rounds. Before the ATF confirmed the examination, the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates were already rallying support to fight the ban on 7N6.
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The gun lobby and its supporters on Capitol Hill are in full-blown Armageddon mode in the wake of a proposal by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to ban the availability of a type of ammunition originally designed for use in AR-15 assault rifles that, when used in next-generation AR-15 assault pistols, can pierce the bullet-resistant vests worn by law enforcement.
Specifically, 5.56mm projectiles loaded into the SS109 and M855 cartridges are commonly used in both "AR-type" rifles and 'AR-type' handguns. The National Rifle Assocation (NRA) and the Newtown-based National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) moved quickly to label the ATF proposal a backdoor effort to ban AR-15 assault rifles (ignoring the fact that the specific ammunition in question is just one type of round compatible with the weapon). This is despite the fact that ATF is only doing what the NRA and other members of the gun lobby consistently argue should be done: enforcing the gun laws already on the books.
Yet left unstated is the fact that ATF's proposal, as detailed in a new report from my organization, the Violence Policy Center, is the direct result of the gun industry's own actions.
Facing a continuing decline in household gun ownership, the gun industry is constantly engaged in efforts to create new product lines to sell to a shrinking consumer base. A recent survey by the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) found that more than 92 percent of officers reported that they are required to wear body armor, either "at all times when on duty" (57 percent) or "at most times when on duty" (35 percent). The gun industry knew that this new breed of assault pistol could trigger restrictions on specific types of ammunition that are considered armor-piercing when used in a handgun, but it moved ahead anyway, continually driven by the need to create new, militarized market categories in the face of declining household gun ownership. Americans are most likely to be in favor of requiring background checks for all gun sales (91%), increasing funding for mental health programs aimed at youth (82%), increasing funding for programs to train law enforcement and schools in responding to active armed attacks (79%), and increasing criminal penalties for people who buy guns for others -- so-called straw purchasers (75%). That includes nearly universal support among Republicans and Democrats for requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales.
There is a good chance his proposals will be considered separately, rather than as a package, raising the question of what Americans would prioritize.
Gallup asked Americans in a separate question whether, in order to prevent future school shootings, the president and Congress should focus more on gun control or more on school security and mental health.
On the other hand, other gun control measures, such as bans on so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, might not only be difficult to get through Congress, but hard to sell to Republicans and independents.
19-20, 2013, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 1,013 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cell phone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by region.
For example, it is illegal for minors to possess certain firearms, possession of a machine guns is illegal, etc. Obviously people ignore laws regarding murder, rape, robbery, B&E, theft, shoplifting, bike theft, speeding, drunk driving, drug possession and manufacturing, jaywalking, interfering with police, pocket-picking, prostitution, gambling, moonshining, car theft, kidnapping, and, well, you get the idea.
But that along with bulletproof metal boxes on wheels and black clothing with lots of pockets was said to hurt the feelings of some, so the tactic was basically tossed. Someone in the crowd of cell-phone-videoing, protesting, and interfering-with-cops bystanders took a shot and wounded the officer. Had it not been for the tourniquet applied by a responding trooper who worked as a nurse prior to becoming a police officer, the officer would have most likely died on the scene. The result of those stops quite often produced illegal weapons, either during the pat-down or the recovery of guns thrown to the ground as the crooks ran away. This only puts in my mind the perspective, that if you take away guns from law-abiding citizens only bad guys will have guns. Does it make it better to say it’s double to triple against the law for felons to purchase a gun? But taking guns from hunters, collector, and moms and pops who own them for home protection will serve no purpose whatsoever. I believe that there are a whole lot of people who don’t understand that we already have so many laws on the books. I now carry a tourniquet, as well as QuickClot, in my shooting bag, but think that maybe I need to add one to my car first aid kit. But I do know that once they pulled the trigger they immediately became criminals, with that act becoming the first line on their newly formed criminal history. They are supposed to be saving life, not urging people – especially children – to shoot helpless animals!
After the appalling massacre in Tasmania back in the 1990s when 35 people (including little kids) died and 20+ were wounded, Australia has not had another mass shooting. Instead, I used your questions to bring up a couple of points – repetitive laws, etc.
There are numerous styles and features that gun people find attractive, cool, neat, stunning, etc.
OTOH, nobody that I know has been able to dig deep into the philosophical question of why Americans love guns SO MUCH MORE than Canadians, or Japanese, or the Dutch, or Australians. What hobbies are there in other countries, such as those you mentioned, that aren’t very well recognized here? Whenever I try to explain this to people, there’s a backlash of ignorant comments from people who think we should ban all guns.
But I would point out that per your information, there is no evidence thus far that either of those firearms was illegally possessed.
I do *not* particularly agree with the idea of disarming the public for a multitude of reasons, several of them likely to raise a great degree of ire if I explained them. However,when that same person starts selling weapons on a regular basis then he’d be labeled as a dealer and would need to obtain a license. Australia, India, Canada – all of them achieved independence through a more-or-less willing process of the British Empire letting them go.
The last real war that took place anywhere *near* US soil was the Spanish American war, and even that was mostly in the Caribbean and Philippines. Shooting somebody a hundred times is fine, as long as all his limbs remain attached and you send the message that this is all part and parcel of being a Big Damn Hero. Kudos to everyone for not allowing this thread to devolve into name-calling and threat-making. And, with all the violence we see on TV and film that features the weapons you describe, well, I agree and that’s most likely where the ideas to use them are born. On the other hand, during my police career I encountered numerous criminals who used guns to commit crimes, including murder.
If I were do that, well, The Graveyard Shift would become another Huffington Post or Fox News, which sometimes seem to be nothing more than a venue for political leanings and generating revenue via ad sales. And we also seem to agree that while tougher gun laws and enforcement would help, they won’t cure the problem. Why does an outwardly sane person walk into a crowded public place, kill as many people as he can, then blow his own head off? No family structure, little or no guidance from positive male role models, no hope for a satisfying future as a result of playing by the rules. Illegal drugs that are so lucrative as to be the prime economic engine for the aforementioned poverty-stricken sub-culture. I respect Lee’s blog and appreciate the opportunity to vent in a hopefully constructive manner. Law-abiding citizens would still be allowed to keep their rifles while weapon availability for criminals would be severely reduced.
The other two (sense of hopelessness, and illegal drug trade): I would believe those might be part of the root cause. One might also consider the gun owner’s role in making sure their weapons do not fall into the wrong hands. Americans would have been better in the long run to have banned all weapons produced in communist nations.
Unless American gun nuts are cool with putting American dollars in the pockets of Putin?s cronies? Meaning you can't even take the damn thing out of your own house without permission from the f***ing government.
Handguns are banned, knives are almost banned, they even tried to ban kitchen knives over there! Opponents also allege that no law-enforcement officer has been shot with one of the cartridges fired from a handgun. A majority of Republicans also favor a ban on armor-piercing bullets and increasing penalties for straw purchasers, as well as the various school security, police funding, and mental health funding proposals tested. All of this, it must be said, is colored by last month's horrific mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. At the very least, Congress needs to make sure that any action taken on guns is seen as supplemental to meaningful school security and mental health policy reforms, not a substitute for it. Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2012 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S.
Gallup's Economic Confidence Index registered -14 last week, similar to where it has been since early April.

For example, a background check is not required when Sam Spade sells his personal .38 to Jack Reacher. Criminals are going to get their hands on guns no matter what or how many laws are in place. Reduce magazine size, maybe, to allow only 6-8 people to be killed at once before reloading?
Keep in mind that I have not fired a gun in nearly two decades, so please do not assume to know my thoughts and feelings on the subject. As someone who has never even held a gun, let alone fired one, and have no interest in firing one, I am absolutely baffled by the gun fetishism in the U.S. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere, and I want to know if I’m a sitting duck somewhere, some good guy is beside me, and ready to keep me safe. I remember walking into a business one day, back when I was a detective, where I spotted a scruffy-looking man wearing tattered clothes with a huge .357 strapped to his side.
Would taking the guns from every law-abiding citizen in the country prevent those shootings? Of course there have been shootings, but thankfully (?) to say, they’ve been and are criminals against criminals, most of it, I would suspect, drug related. A sporting shooter, farmer, cop or anyone who legally owns a gun could run amok – but not with a high-powered automatic weapon that can take out X amount of people in one spraying.
Any pollie who tries to relax our gun laws will be out on his neck before he knows what hit him.
It’s just that when someone uses a rifle to kill, those incidents are more apt to generate larger headlines.
I get it that people collect guns because they like them, but why Americans like them so much more – no clue.
But I’m struck by the fact that there are so many people out there fighting to prevent any sort of serious requirements for *safety training*, let alone moral or ethical training. A performer accidentally shows some nip on prime time, and there are congressional investigations about it. What I can say, and this is based on many years of experience in dealing with people and guns, is that I’ve never encountered anyone who meets your description, with the exception of fictional characters.
Again, none were drooling, hand-wringing, eye-spinning wackos who owned guns and were begging to use them. And there are those who shoot as part of an agenda, such as terrorists and other people who commit mass murder.
Which leads to this hypothesis: What if gun violence is merely a symptom of a deeper problem? Decades of poverty-stricken people who breed new generations of poverty-stricken people who are raised by teenage parents, then become teenage parents who beget future teenage parents, none of whom have the experience or emotional maturity to raise children with a sense of right and wrong, self-discipline, self-control, conforming to the basic laws of society, etc. Young people growing up learn this reality, accept it as fact, and resign themselves to the fact that life is violent, you’ll probably die a violent death, so why not fight for your life by killing your enemies before they kill you? It may take that long to reverse the trend and return to being as peaceful as most of the rest of the world.
Aren’t handguns the weapon of choice for criminals because they can be easily concealed? I grew up in western NY, and have had some experience deer hunting years ago when the usual weapon of choice was a single shot 12 gauge (I believe rifles we not legal for deer hunting back then in my part of the state, but may be now). If you live and farm where there’s thick undergrowth nearby and six different predators attacking livestock and fowl within yards of your house, you learn which predator control tools work best and when to use each tool. Matt Salmon asked for confirmation that the ATF is examining 7N6, why and under what authority. Like how does this have anything to do with then trying to circumvent our 2nd Amendment rights! The issue is whether ATF would grant a similar sporting purpose exemption for 5.45 x 39 steel core ammunition which is for use in rifles and used as target shooting ammunition because it is less expensive and generally available. Those poor buggers in Canada can't even take a shit without some pain-in-the-ass bureaucrat telling them where they can take their guns and when they can shoot them. Fortunately for the wounded officer, the trooper arrived when he did and, a helicopter was able to quickly transport him to a trauma hospital.
Doing something just to be doing something is totally meaningless, unless there’s a purpose, such as closing the gunshot loophole. Leaving aside criminals (because as you say, criminals will always be able to get guns), there is a segment of the population that isn’t mature enough to handle their 2nd Amendment rights.
I’m pointing out the frustration that many people have, I feel, who are afraid to wade into the debate. Was she going to sit in her lounge room night after night with a loaded gun by her side – just in case? Instead, they keep them in gun safes or cases and bring them out only to show friends and other collectors.
I recall being on the range a few times when the competition was so tough (everyone could easily take out the bulls-eyes) that we resorted to shooting the thumbtacks used to hold the targets to their backings. The San Bernardino shooting happened in the strictest gun control state in the country, in a gun-free zone. It’s harder to get birth control pills in most states than it is to get a gun, and *that* is screwed up. Since then, the media’s been doing a better and better job of sanitizing how they present the warfare process. Again, not the norm, but they do receive lots of time in the media because it sells ads and sometimes fits an intended goal. Permits for legal possession of handguns would be severely restricted to police officers and other security professionals.
For example, holding a rifle while turning quickly to defend yourself against an armed intruder (who’ll have an illegal handgun, by the way) could result in striking lamps, a bed post, your wife, etc. Handguns, in this situation, are just tools that require specific precautions, training, and practice.
Green tip) and is not considered armor piercing but we all can buy AR pistols so where is the atf on this round? An AR-15 is RESTRICTED in Canada, so they can't take them ANYWHERE ELSE but the firing range or the gun store OR back home.
Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.
I am equally sure the .22 my son learned to shoot with at Boy Scouts, while a semi-automatic, is not an assault rifle. That is: WHY do so many Americans want so many guns and why do they like to shoot people with them more than people in other countries? If it wasn’t to hand, then how was she going to get it to defend herself in the event of a home invasion – which is just that?
I’ve watched a couple of cellphone videos of police shootings and for the life of me I cannot understand why anyone in them pulled a trigger.
However, I’ve heard non-shooters use that very description many times, which leads me to believe it is they who see those weapons as phallic symbols, and for the life of me I do not know why? Killing 20 people in five minutes certainly qualifies as reality TV in the eyes of the networks and other mainstream media. It would be nice to have this law completely ripped up by the roots so that cheap 7.62 steel core could come in again.
Can't use them for hunting, self defense is outlawed entirely and they need a permission slip just to take them to the range! The average person has absolutely NO idea of the alarming number illegally-possessed guns on the streets.
Where men hunt, and, y’know, sometimes but thankfully not every day, shoot innocent people in the face. The stands were packed with people, kids running everywhere, and there, standing at the edge of the field was a guy wearing a 9mm on his hip. Surely we don’t need them to hunt for food, unless we are not in driving distance of a grocery. Had someone in that office been a responsible, trained carrier, they might have stopped those two before so many died.
Still, I’ve been in very similar situations and never once thought of drawing my weapon, much less shoot. But it’s a lot easier and safer to follow hounds tracking through thick brush with a properly holstered handgun than carrying a long gun. Every example of government regulation start as a way to target groups the government has vilified and doesn't like, and leads to restriction for an excuse relating to that group that they can demonize. Why would they when they can buy whatever they want on the street with less hassle and for less money.
But times were different back then and it is too easy to play Monday morning quarterback based on a cellphone video that doesn’t show all angles and what led to the event.
Then again, if there are children in the house every firearm should be safely locked and properly stored. We need more people trained to help stop them when necessary, and laws to protect those people so they aren’t afraid to use their guns.

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